Sunday, May 19, 2013

Series 7 Part 2 - What Did You Think?


Doctor Who Series 7 Part 2 has now come to an end with the sensationally exciting finale, The Name of the Doctor - but what did you think of the last eight episodes? Leave your thoughts and opinions in the comments section below. You can read what Blogtor readers thought of Doctor Who Series 7 Part 1 HERE.

38 comments:

Anonymous said...

I cant beleive how it ended. I'm so upset! Its going to ruin their merchandising, seeing as how many things are labeled with each doctors number. I thought the episode up until the last one or two minutes was very good though, but the last part...

Joe Sewell said...

AWESOME! There were so many ways to disappoint or frustrate, and Moffatt didn't do it. There was a cliff-hanging hook to the 50th, but not at the expense of destroying the story. Cliffhangers almost always tick me off, because I hate having to wait for ANY resolution. In fact, more often than not, I'll hold off watching "part 1" of a story until part 2 airs. Moffatt, though, knows how to satisfy while you wait, a bit more comfortably but still curious, on the cliff.

And we get to see "Sexy" in the early days!

Smiley Sarah said...

What the HECK? Did you see the Name of the Doctor? If not, don't read ahead.... spoilers.

So, are they having a new doctor, or still Matt Smith?

Lewis said...

thought the 2nd part was brilliant - which is why I was mystified by rumours and reports that ratings for the show had falled dramatically. I've not been a huge fan of Moffat since he too up the reins, but he has certainly showed moments of genius. This last half of this last series has been my favorite of the whole of Matt Smiths 11th Doctor - a superb actor who gradually grew into the role. I really hope Neil Gaiman takes over and Moffat goes of to write Sherlock full time and goes back to doing the odd episode for Doctor Who rather than running the show.

Anonymous said...

1. The Name of the Doctor
2. Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS
3. The Crimson Horror
4. Nightmare in Silver
5. Hide
6. Cold War
7. The Bells of St. John
8. The Rings of Akhaten

liminalD said...

I'm not entirely sure I can answer that - it may take a while to sort out my feelings on these last eight episodes. I have absolutely loved one or two episodes and felt curiously detached from others. But overall, I think this series as a whole was more cohesive than series 6 (which had some stellar episodes, some absolute dross and what I felt was a terribly dissatisfying finale). While I enjoyed JLC as Clara, I didn't feel that attached to her, and her 'twist' in TNotD was utterly predictable. But Matt Smith was phenomenal, and his Victorian-era buddies were great throughout. And the special guest stars were brilliant :)

Anonymous said...

Not sure how I feel about who anymore. Do not enjoy it like i used to.

Mathew Child said...

I think Series 7b was mostly entertaining with some really cool moments, but on the other hand had some awful clunker moments.
The new title sequence introduced at Christmas is excellent and I love the return of the face, but still not satisfied with the theme tune. Matt continues to excel in the role, imo opinion managing to channel troughton's impishness and Tom Baker's alien angst. Jenna put in a solid performance too although I still miss the Amy/Rory partnership :( . As for the eps themselves

The Bells - Excellent "opener", to reintroduce contemporary Clara.

Rings - Awful - who thought songs of praise would be a good idea. The only redeeming feature of this ep is Clara's backstory.

Cold War - Mostly brilliant, but the end felt a bit rushed

Hide - Excellent, loved the whole haunted house vibe, the acting and the general creepiness.

Centre of the Tardis - this ep had lovely moments like the library and the eye of harmony. I can cope with the reset button but the sub plot about the brothers making the 3rd think he's a robot, ruined it. It is in a series about unbelievable things this was too far. The human body would overrule what he thought - robots don't need to eat, sleep or pee, but a human body will. They could have dropped that bit altogether or made them think he was adopted to alienate him from the other two.

Crimson Horror - Another good one, but still unsure on the whole experimented on the daughter without her know - not explained but could fall under the same sin as the non robot brother.
Nightmare in Silver - Entertaining loved the end, instead of causing a feedback loop or some such to defeat them all in one go they blew up the planet instead. Warwick Davis as porridge was a very engaging character.
The Name of the Doctor - Can I just say WOW, geek-fest all the way through and I loved every second of it.

I can't wait for November :)

Anonymous said...

10/10 - Maybe Moff's best episode.

All episodes bar Akhatan were at least good!

Eatthemilkyway@gmail.com said...

Moffat: Should look into RTD's season endings, especially 2, 3, 4. There was something at stake, and not only the Doctor himself.

Matt: Should continue being awesome, although I hated it when he took over, I have to say my opinion completely changed. He's a brilliant actor, who can actually convey emotion (although at times it seems artificial still)

Jenna: Oh she's a rocket. Despite the flat character, Jenna manages to play an awesome role. I was weary at first, because at the end of Amy and Rory, I had just gotten used to Amy, and it was a bit of a "Oh god a new girl" momemnt, but now, I am convinced by the acting! (not so much by the writing...)

Alex Kingston: Was what made me cry last night. Always been a fan of River Song, and even more so of Alex. You continue being awesome!

Overall plot of finale: Anti-climactic. No one cares, and Clara's explanation is disappointing to say the least, and rather boring. There were better theories about her at oswintheories.tumblr.com

alan42 said...

The hatred toward Moffat by some baffles me! Complaints of not knowing what's going to happen. Time lines being corrupted etc! It's sci fi. Deal with it! The old show became formulaic and predictable which is why it ended! I love unpredictability and new directions! It's what makes the show great! Star trek fans haven't complained about the previous era being wiped in the new movies because they realise it needed refreshing! This is what new Who has done but I'm my opinion has also shown great respect for what has come before. They could easily have just done a complete reboot and had Eccleston as the first Doctor. The fans are the best and at times the worst thing about doctor who!

Anonymous said...

I thought it was awesome and it was well produced, i think every single episode was well acted and well produced.

Anonymous said...

The Bells of St. John 7/10
The Rings of Akhaten 2/10
Cold War 6/10
Hide 7/10
JourneytotheCentreoftheTARDIS 7/10
The Crimson Horror 8/10
Nightmare in Silver 8/10
The Name of the Doctor 10/10

Dario Feddersen-Doyle said...

Thought it was enjoyable overall, expectations possibly too high, with the talk of movie-like episodes. This was possibly the downfall to some eps, writers told to big up their eps but still only had 45 mins to squeeze in.

Still, many exciting moments, cliffhanger to 50th good, except kinda spoilt by the internets. Don't really know why the John Hurt Doctor was ment to be a massive secret, we know the Doctor killed both the Time Lords and Daleks, Time Lords because they were going to perform the Ultimate Sanction. Interesting to see what the 50th entails.

Anonymous said...

St. John - 6/10
Akhaten - 9/10 ( yes I really liked this episode. Got a problem with it, then get over it.)
Cold War -7/10
Hide - 8/10
TARDIS - 9/10
Crimson - 7/10
Nightmare - 6/10
Name - 10/10

Shenanigans said...

just a thought

what if before the Doctor died at Trenzalore for real, one of the Claras saved him to the Library database so that he could finally be with River?

Anonymous said...

i have been watching dr who since the 4th doctor and i have to say the last 3 people who have played the doctor have nailed it completly...matt smith i commend you for takeing the doctor and makein him yours. now for the ending this new evil part of the doctor is in my mind is the part of the doctor when the 8th doctor who was the most passive of all of the doctors had to make the choice when he was dieing to end the time war and kill everyone. and not only did he survive but the guilt in the 9th doctors attitude could be seen all the way till the end, even once in awile you could see it in the 10th doctor.

Anonymous said...

Extremely uneven and largely disappointing. Love Matt! Like Jenna! Love the Paternoster Gang! Hide was my favorite overall. Too many endings were too abrupt. Finale was weak. Sick of women whose entire lives even when not traveling with the Doctor revolve entirely around the Doctor. Love Moffat when he writes one-off episodes or two parters, very disappointed with him as show runner.

Gavin Bollard said...

Excellent as usual. Some great name-droppers (Valeyard) and flashbacks for long-time viewers but not enough to disrupt the newbies.

All the episodes were good, even the rings, which is simply being panned because it's "different". Time will tell.

Excellent acting on Matt's part. Some brilliant stuff that Tennant, great though he was, could not do with his character.

Great season ending. Nice sense of dread.... btw: would it have killed the moff to have just one yeti and/or a silver sphere?

Andrew Dalpini said...

Snowmen-9/10-felt original and led into Clara and the great intelligence. Hindsight rating. I thought it was the best Matt Smith Christmas episode.
Bells-5/10-the spoon people didn't do it for me. The plot seemed cliche
Akhaten-1/10-oxygen, sun God villains defeated by love. Awful. underused glass cage villain. Boo.
Cold war-8/10-I thought this was a will done episode. The complementary characters were good and the villain was fresh and well used.
Hide-7/10-just a little weaker than cold war in my opinion but still good.
crimson horror-0.5/10-unwatchable episode. I hate how much strax and Vestra have been used. I would rather see clone Jenny than mistress Jenny. The villains were weak and easily beaten. Yawn.
Nightmare in silver-7/10-this one underachieved for me. On the one hand, you had one off companions, a nice reimagining of the cybermen, and a good happy ending, but on the other hand, it felt like Clara shrank. Amy, Donna, or Rose would have been great and made this story the best of the season. Matt has his best episode as an actor.
The name of the doctor-12/10-everything and more than I could have expected. I wish river would have come back in physical form, but what can you do? I just don't want to wait until November to see if John is doctor 12/valeyard or doctor 8.5. I do hope Christopher Eccleston and Paul Mcgann have been lying about their involvement in the fiftieth anniversary episode, though.

Carl Waring said...

Lewis said ..."which is why I was mystified by rumours and reports that ratings for the show had falled dramatically."

I think the over-night's might be down a little but when you add in all the time-delayed and repeat viewing then it's still getting the same numbers as it always did. ie around 8m.

I thought the ep was brilliant and no, Smiley Sarah, there's no reason to think that we're getting a new Doctor permanently. Not sure the BBC could afford him, for a start :-D

Anonymous said...

@Stacey_lovestar

I think this episode was amazing, really good, worth getting excited for after the majority of series 7 being a bit of a let down but this episode as well as one or two others were really good, the name of the doctor left a lovely subtle cliffhanger....less is more.

Anonymous said...

Fantastic episode, loved it and a very very decent setup to the 50th.

I'm actually glad it's John Hurt who is playing "part of the Doctor" although never having taken the name. This won't screw up the numbering on the Doctors either Matt is still the 11th incarnation of the Doctor.

Not sure about how much this will relate to the time war but I'm sure it will be interesting. I can see David Tennant running past Matt and JLC, Matt grabbing him by the arm and asking if he could help them while in the Doctors timeline.

I'm also thinking that something will happen which redeems John Hurts character, still not making him the "Doctor" but in part making up for what he has done.

Christian70 said...

Are we ever going to find out who was the woman who gave Clara the TARDIS' phone number?!

And why did the first gravestone we see when the Doctor steps out on to Trenzalore read Clemency Bunn?
(I googled the name and it's a prop maker on DRW! LOL!)

transmet2033 said...

I have enjoyed 7b immensely. Especially once Cold War aired. Bells and Akhaten felt a little off for me, but I still enjoyed them. I love all of the classic references and characters.
I absolutely loved the pre-credits scene for The Name of the Doctor. I got really excited when I saw that ugly red jacket and curly blond hair.

Anonymous said...

Bells of St John 7/10
Rings of Akhaten 3/10
Cold war 7/10
Hide 5/10
Journey 6/10
Crimson Horror 6/10
Nightmare in Silver 2/10
Name Of The Doctor 9/10

Big Dave said...

I think the problem is that the show has been on an upward curve for so long that sooner or later it had to take a dip and that's what has happened in S7b. It's probably now on a par with episodes from 4-5 years ago and back then I was raving about it.

I will be interested to see where it goes from here. A weak end to one series and a poor beginning to the next (ignoring the 50th anniversary) and I might start to pass on it. Strong start to S8 and
I'm sure I'll get back in the groove

stephy said...

So I guessed that Clara was a Meme. Which I feel was kinda close to the truth. I have an idea about John Hurt being The Other. For those of you who don't know it goes back to the classic who. You can find the Other mentioned in Lungbarrow, which is a book about the house the doctor is from. I was a little upset that they put Clara as going all the way back to the first episode of Doctor Who. Moffat has done a lot of things we are just suppose to accept. For instance when Amy remembers him and brings him back. She would only remember him as she knew him so all the adventures he had before her would have been voided out because she isn't aware of them at this point in their history. So the fact Clara basically has changed the Doctor Who as I know and love, (both the classic and the reboot) has upset me. However i did notice something that I haven't seen anyone comment on about the episode. Moffat saw how everyone trying to figure out who clara is had every one talking and has given us another mystery about her. I was wondering if any one else saw it. River Song mentions she was connected to Clara by a mental link and it was still working even though she went into the Doctors time stream. So how was it working? the Doctor asks River and she says Spoilers. We know that the Doctor gives back the leaf to Clara how'd he get it? Perhaps Its the original leaf? Over all the episode was fantastic for what it was. However I feel that Moffat has kind of smacked the classic who writers in the face a bit. He has turned Clara into a bit of a Goddess that has shaped the doctors life. In essence she is what she's always been the doctors nanny.

I haven't been impressed with the Moffat Era. I want Russell back. Moffat has been trying to hard I think.

Anonymous said...

Had stopped watching completely after BELLS; I just can't stand what passes for storytelling in Moffat's world. Did tune in for the finale though and kind of liked it. Will watch the anniversary special and then will probably be done until Moffat is.

Kevin Fisher said...

I thought Series 7 part 2 was much the same as part 1: a bunch of random "stuff" that happens with almost nothing connecting it. Although at least nothing sunk as low as the crapfest that was "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship." The one standout was "Hide" which made me wish they had put that kind of effort into everything this season. As for the finale, it lacked the excitement of previous seasons by a large measure. Remember the Utopia-to-Last of the Timelords Trilogy? There was NOTHING in Season 7 that came close to that. Moffat needs to up his game and abandon his love of B-Movie Marquee episodes because it is not working. Between lacklustre episodes and LONG delays between parts of the season, Moffat did succeed at one thing however: alienating the KIDS in my house. Only the wife and I were present for the finale. Good job Moffat...not that listening to feedback that doesn't praise you is something you're accustomed to. Not looking forward to the 50th anymore since Moffat has already stated it won't be a "fanfest" (whatever that's supposed to mean...if the 50th anniversary isn't a time to blow your own horn, nothing is).

Anonymous said...

There were some fun moments in the second part of season 7. However, I do have a very important question. Where is the character development in the Moffatt era? Clara could be a great character if they actually spent time to develop her. Amy had a similar issue with a lot of throw away lines that hinted at things but were never explained. Davies would always tie up those loose ends but Moffatt doesn't seem to care one bit. Donna Noble was a much better developed character in her one year run than Amy Pond was over a longer period. I think the best thing Moffatt does is have nods to the classic series but he needs to work more on making the people on screen 3 dimensional and not just people running to save the day from the problem of the week. It's got the character development of Scooby Doo.

Anonymous said...

For the whole season I was waiting for something that would make me reconnect with Doctor Who, but I was disappointed, again. I loved Moffat as a writer of scary episodes but ever since he became show runner he alienated me. I think it's mostly because good storytelling is not there anymore...

Flashy, "cool" things happen for no reason at all (wifi routers decide they want to look like creepy people and everyone will be fooled by their spoon heads. It's creepy, yeah, but it doesn't move the plot along! Also, it's been done a lot before, with Teselecta, gangers and what not), and we don't know about the consequences (what happens to the uploaded people? Why does the Doctor say it's like a living hell? When does he find that out? Oh, right, he's an omniscient God now... But most importantly, why doesn't he even try to save them?). Moffat leaves loose threads hanging all over the place. It's great to keep people guessing but NOT the way it's done now, where it's just handwaved later, dropped entirely, or we're told it never happened anyway. To cite only one example, what are the Silence doing now that the question has been asked, and answered as well? Weren't they trying to prevent that? And how did they know what would happen when the question is asked? And why exactly (and how, since we were never shown) do they explode the TARDIS?

Anonymous said...

Rest of my previous comment:

Characters are just plot devices: good guys just react to the terrible situation at hand, and bad guys create bad situation but we have no ideas of their motivations (well they're bad guys, of course they're gonna do bad things, duh). Hence no character development whatsoever (they just do what the plot requires, and to hell with character consistency). The Doctor does not solve anything these days, he just shows up, knows things all of a sudden (yes this is a parasite god in the form of a giant sun, who feeds off people's emotions. Ok, great. Did you pull that out of your arse? Is your arse bigger on the inside as well?), waves the sonic screwdriver at everything (yes it works on everything now), and most often than not, just scares the bad guys away. Cause he's just that awesome. Oh, and the companion hardly does anything to solve the mystery these days (although it seems a bit better with Clara).

Anonymous said...

I'm not connecting dramatically or emotionally and I'm not scared, because nothing matters anymore in Doctor Who. Someone dies? Meh, they'll come back in no time (Jenny, anyone?) Good, cause characters are showing no emotional trauma whatsoever. The situation is dire and everybody's gonna die? Meh, timey wimey will solve it all (what clever writers do is put the characters in a really tricky situations, because of actual reasons, and then get them out with a cleverer solution. Big friendly reset button is not that). Oh no, the bad guy is doing something bad, and badness will ensue, it's terrible! Wait, why is it scary? How does this work? What exactly does "rewrite" the entire timeline of the doctor entail? What will happen next if he doesn't do anything? And then why is it bad for Clara to go there? (River seems to know it's bad, but how about she shares a bit of that knowledge?) Do all of her versions live normal lives before dying? Is it the same Clara or not, ie when she's inevitably saved by the Doctor, will she have lived all those lives? And why the hell does she save the doctor (or help him solve the mystery of the week? Not sure) for his entire life? Isn't she supposed to go in there to thwart the Great Intelligence's rewriting of history? Why does the GI disappear from the story from this point on then? Oh right, because Moffat, in lieu of resolution of all these things, just tries to distract us by waving the next shiny thing in our faces. Why?? It's lazy writing and my attention span is longer than that of a goldfish. Don't get me wrong, I think that using the doctor's own timeline to revisit some events (even as a way of entering the Time Lock), and learning about an extra regeneration who did things "not in the name of the Doctor" is cool. Thrilling, even! (and it's a clever way of playing off the "threat" of revealing the name of the Doctor). But the better the idea, the worse I feel when it stays just that: an idea. Moffat is too busy thinking up the next cool thing that he forgots to tell the story. Any story. And that really pisses me off because Matt Smith is such a brilliant actor: in the few moments when the scripts allow it, he really shines. Gee, what a waste.

Anonymous said...

final part of my comment:

I'm not connecting dramatically or emotionally and I'm not scared, because nothing matters anymore in Doctor Who. Someone dies? Meh, they'll come back in no time (Jenny, anyone?) Good, cause characters are showing no emotional trauma whatsoever. The situation is dire and everybody's gonna die? Meh, timey wimey will solve it all (what clever writers do is put the characters in a really tricky situations, because of actual reasons, and then get them out with a cleverer solution. Big friendly reset button is not that). Oh no, the bad guy is doing something bad, and badness will ensue, it's terrible! Wait, why is it scary? How does this work? What exactly does "rewrite" the entire timeline of the doctor entail? What will happen next if he doesn't do anything? And then why is it bad for Clara to go there? (River seems to know it's bad, but how about she shares a bit of that knowledge?) Do all of her versions live normal lives before dying? Is it the same Clara or not, ie when she's inevitably saved by the Doctor, will she have lived all those lives? And why the hell does she save the doctor (or help him solve the mystery of the week? Not sure) for his entire life? Isn't she supposed to go in there to thwart the Great Intelligence's rewriting of history? Why does the GI disappear from the story from this point on then? Oh right, because Moffat, in lieu of resolution of all these things, just tries to distract us by waving the next shiny thing in our faces. Why?? It's lazy writing and my attention span is longer than that of a goldfish. Don't get me wrong, I think that using the doctor's own timeline to revisit some events (even as a way of entering the Time Lock), and learning about an extra regeneration who did things "not in the name of the Doctor" is cool. Thrilling, even! (and it's a clever way of playing off the "threat" of revealing the name of the Doctor). But the better the idea, the worse I feel when it stays just that: an idea. Moffat is too busy thinking up the next cool thing that he forgots to tell the story. Any story. And that really pisses me off because Matt Smith is such a brilliant actor: in the few moments when the scripts allow it, he really shines. Gee, what a waste.

Eileen said...

I've felt thatvthe season suffered from a lack of cohesiveness in both characterisation and quality control. Many scripts, especially Nightmare, Journey, Snowmen and Bells felt underdeveloped - almost as though they were filmed at an advanced but not final draft stage. For me the strongest episodes were Hide, Crimson Horror and Cold War which mostly tied theme, mood and characterisation together most tightly.

Secondary characters have been poorly handled - the worst examples being the ridiculous brothers in Journey, the father in Snowmen, REG' s woefully underused villan, the commander in Nightmare and David Warner in Cold War.

Episode resolutions were also mostly poorly handled as if time had run out in filming. Rings, Bells, Journey being examples of cramming in the final scenes. Writers know that they are limited to 45 minutes and the execuitives should insist on the discipline of adhering to that timeframe. Not enough time is not an excuse. Steven Moffat himself is often guilty of this - too many competing ideas to allow them all to breathe.

The biggest issue I had though was the poorly handled character of Clara. The writers across the episodes have given the actress wildly inconsistent characterisations and in the finale lumbered her with now being the most special ever ever companion in The Doctor's existence. I simply don't know where the companion can now go.

Positives continue to be the beautiful design and cimematograpy, excellent new titles and (mostly) teriffic performance of Matt Smith. Although I continue to really dislike the childishly imbecillic side of the character, Matt has shone in the quieter and more reflective moments. Unlike pretty much everyone I disliked the big speech in Rings and the duality face off in Nightmare (both overwritten and overplayed) but Matt continues to impress as the most accomplished actor to play The Doctor. With Hollywood at his beck and call I am certain he'll be off as soon as he overtakes David Tennant' s tenure, which will be a pity but IMO the sow desperately needs new blood both on and off the screen.

Whew! So my ranking of the eps?

1. Horror
2. Hide
3. Cold War




4. Bells
5. Name


6. Snowmen
7. Rings


8. Journey
9. Nightmare -
both truly dire. Only episode disliked more in NuWho is Beast Below (although I never made it all the way through series 6 so may need to revise my opinion if I can bring myself to watch any episodes after Doctor' s Wife.

Eileen

Anonymous said...

Sorry for the double post, this is the end of my comment...

Finally, it looks like Steven Moffat has no respect for continuity (since when do the Nazis-from-space Daleks have a parliamentary system? And how did they escape the Time War?!? If you want to keep people guessing you should a) have a darn clever explanation in the end and b) have your characters find it weird, because from their personal history they absolutely should. Or have they been replaced by robots again?) and he's kind of arrogant to retconn everything all the time: humanity with the Silence, the whole universe in Big Bang, and now the whole show?

So yeah, at that point I'm not even really thrilled about the new companion (I miss normal people who became extraordinary in contact with the doctor and actually got some shit done), or the 50th. Meh.

Rob W said...

Funny series!

Highlights were stupendous. I loved Hide, to bits - Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS wasn't far behind. Great two episodes.

Funnily, I seem to have broadly loved the episodes fans didn't, and had reservations about the episodes everyone else unreservedly loved. The Name of the Doctor was spine-chilling, utterly thrilling as a fan, the thing Steven Moffat said about thinking the show's birthday had come six months early was absolutely right. Seeing the older Doctors, Gallifrey, the TARDIS sailing through the vortex pre-police box. But it was also... kind of a lot of standing around explaining the things that were happening on screen? I didn't think the plot was up to much! Lots of thankless dialogue - "You'll be scattered. Like confetti." Well, yes!

Conversely, I loved Nightmare in Silver to bits, and people had such a downer on that. I like it more than The Doctor's Wife, some days. Wonderful ideas, great acting - didn't like the kids, but I thought the story ascended way past them.

What else? Loved The Snowmen, didn't think much of either of Gatiss' episodes - which is a shame, cos I love Gatiss's writing so much everywhere else. Great at Sherlock, great in The League of Gentlemen, but The Unquiet Dead's the only time I've loved his writing.

Such a mixed bag. I said, last time, that there's been something missing since 2011 that I can't quite put my finger on. S7P2 occasionally got that something back... but not often. Thanks for Hide, thanks for Journey, thanks for Nightmare and the Snowmen, but after such a long wait between series, I think S7 had a lot of expectation resting on its shoulders, and I don't think it carried that burden nearly as well as the utterly marvellous series five. The two series had different jobs, and S5's was arguably easier, as it had excitement and newness built in, but I can now quite easily pinpoint 2010 as the height of my Doctor Who fannishness.